# The Ethical Debating Society

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English DIY punk/post-riot grrrl group

The Ethical Debating Society Background information Origin London Genres Riot grrrl, punk, post punk Years active 2009–present Labels Odd Box, Tuff Enuff, HHBTM Members Tegan Christmas Kris Martin Lu Past members Eli Tupa Rob Macabre Lauren Darling Chris Morris Su Website TEDS Bandcamp

**The Ethical Debating Society** (aka T.E.D.S.[1]) are a three-piece [DIY](/source/DIY_culture) [punk](/source/Punk_rock), post-[riot grrrl](/source/Riot_grrrl)[2] group from [London](/source/London).[3][4] They have been described as "one of the most exciting DIY bands" in the UK.[5]

## History

Initially a solo project for vocalist/guitarist Tegan Christmas, The Ethical Debating Society formed as a band in 2009 with Lauren Darling (guitar) and Chris Morris (drums).[6] They received an early name-check in [The Guardian](/source/The_Guardian) from [Everett True](/source/Everett_True).[7] Recordings made with producer [Ant Chapman](/source/Collapsed_Lung_(band)) were initially unreleased, although two tracks were included on a later EP.[8] By 2010 Darling and Morris had left and Tegan continued with a varying line up[9][10] until the group settled as Tegan with Eli Tupa[11] and Kris Martin[12] in 2013.[13]

The band played a number of early gigs around the [UK](/source/UK) [queercore](/source/Queercore) scene, with [Ste McCabe](/source/Ste_McCabe), [The Younger Lovers](/source/Brontez_Purnell) and others;[14][15] following an appearance on [Brighton](/source/Brighton) queercore label [Tuff Enuff Records](/source/Tuff_Enuff_Records)’s 2012 compilation *Why Diet When You Could Riot?*[16] gigs with [Shrag](/source/Shrag) and [Tunabunny](/source/Tunabunny) led to a split [single](/source/Single_(music)) with London’s [Skinny Girl Diet](/source/Skinny_Girl_Diet) on [US](/source/US) label [Happy Happy Birthday To Me Records](/source/Happy_Happy_Birthday_To_Me_Records) in 2013.[17][18][19] A cassette/download [EP](/source/Extended_Play) on Tuff Enuff - "Hens Teeth" - followed in 2014.[20]

In 2015, The Ethical Debating Society's debut album *New Sense* was released on [Odd Box Records](/source/Odd_Box_Records) following audio and video previews,[21][22] and received positive reviews from SoundsXP,[23] Collapse Board,[24] Louder Than War[25] and others,[26][27][28][29][30] with radio support including [BBC Radio 6](/source/BBC_Radio_6),[31] [Dandelion](/source/Dandelion_Radio) and [Artrocker](/source/Artrocker) Radio. The album was produced by [Mark Jasper](/source/Witching_Waves_(band)) at Sound Savers studio. Album track "Razor Party" (written by former drummer Rob) was voted #32 in the 2015 [John Peel](/source/John_Peel) memorial '[Festive 50](/source/Festive_50)' compiled by [Dandelion Radio](/source/Dandelion_Radio).[32]

The band supported [Jack Off Jill](/source/Jack_Off_Jill) at their final show, at [Heaven](/source/Heaven_(nightclub)) in London,[33] and played with [Shonen Knife](/source/Shonen_Knife) on the London date of that band's 2016 tour.[34] They played at [Indietracks](/source/Indietracks) 2015, and have also played with [The Wolfhounds](/source/The_Wolfhounds), [The Nightingales](/source/The_Nightingales), [The Homosexuals](/source/The_Homosexuals), [Hagar the Womb](/source/Hagar_the_Womb), [Prolapse](/source/Prolapse_(band)), [Bis](/source/Bis_(Scottish_band)), [Lung Leg](/source/Lung_Leg_(band)) and [Darren Hayman](/source/Darren_Hayman).

In 2013, T.E.D.S. were named as a 'band to watch' by [Londonist](/source/Londonist).[35] In 2017, they were included in [Clash magazine](/source/Clash_(magazine))'s list of "favourite new groups"[36] alongside [Shopping](/source/Shopping_(band)) and others. In 2019 [Contactmusic](/source/Contactmusic.com) called them "one of the best" London DIY bands.[37]

## Discography

### Albums

- *New Sense* – [Odd Box Records](/source/Odd_Box_Records) (UK) 12-inch LP/MP3 (2015)

### EPs/Singles

- *Live* EP, self-released, CDr (2011)

- Split EP, [HHBTM Records](/source/HHBTM_Records), 7-inch (2013) [with Skinny Girl Diet][17]

- *Hens Teeth* EP, [Tuff Enuff Records](/source/Tuff_Enuff_Records), MC/DL (2014)

- "London Particular", self-released, DD (2017)

- *Mutual Indecision* EP, Radical Possibilities, MC/DL (2023)

### Compilation appearances

- "Kill You Last" on *Why Diet When You Can Diet*, [Tuff Enuff Records](/source/Tuff_Enuff_Records), LP/DD (2012)

- "Kill You Last" on *MC12*, [HHBTM Records](/source/HHBTM_Records), MC (2012)

- "Future Imperfect" on *Keroleen Mixtape #1*, Keroleen Records, MC/DD (2015)[38]

- "Cover Up" on *Indietracks Compilation 2015*, [Indietracks](/source/Indietracks), DD (2015)

- "Riderrr" on *Odd Box Weekender V*, [Odd Box](/source/Odd_Box_Records), DD (2015)

- "[Run Rudolph Run](/source/Run_Rudolph_Run)" on *Riot Grrrl Christmas*, [Cleopatra Records](/source/Cleopatra_Records), CD/DD (2015)[39]

- "List of Requirements" on *Odd Box 2015*, [Odd Box](/source/Odd_Box_Records), DD (2015)[40]

- "Creosote Ideas" on *Don't Be Left Without Us*, 2CD (2016)[41]

- "Poor Liam" on *Loud Women - Volume One*, [Loud Women Records](/source/Loud_Women), CD (2017)

- "Paywall" on *Kobayashi I: Intergalactic Champions*, Kobayashi Nights Records, CD/DD (2017)

- "Yes" on *Salvage: A DIY Pop Compilation*, Move Under Your Own Power, MC/DD (2018)[42]

- "Emoticon" on *#SolidarityNotSilence Compilation (Pt1)* (2019)[43]

## Line up

### Current

- Tegan Christmas (vocals, guitar)

- Lu (drums)

- Kris Martin (guitar, vocals)

### Previous

- Eli Tupa (drums, 2013-2019)

- Rob Macabre (drums, 2010-2012)

- Dave Burbidge (drums, 2013)

- Su (percussion/bvs, 2010-2013)

- Lauren Darling (guitar/vocals, 2009)

- Chris Morris (drums, 2009)

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1. **[^](#cite_ref-18)** Neph, Joseph (5 June 2013). ["Graded on a Curve: Skinny Girl Diet, Ethical Debating Society, split 7-inch EP"](http://www.thevinyldistrict.com/storefront/2013/06/graded-on-a-curve-skinny-girl-diet-ethical-debating-society-split-7-inch-ep/). The Vinyl District. Retrieved 10 May 2016.

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1. **[^](#cite_ref-21)** Coughlan, Jamie (20 May 2015). ["The Ethical Debating Society - Cover Up (Oberblown Track Premiere)"](http://overblown.co.uk/the-ethical-debating-society-cover-up-overblown-track-premiere/). Retrieved 10 May 2016.

1. **[^](#cite_ref-22)** ["Already Heard Video Premiere: The Ethical Debating Society - Sum Of My Parts"](https://web.archive.org/web/20150820174751/http://alreadyheard.com/post/123112121993/already-heard-video-premiere-the-ethical-debating). Already Heard. Archived from [the original](http://alreadyheard.com/post/123112121993/already-heard-video-premiere-the-ethical-debating) on 20 August 2015. Retrieved 10 May 2016.

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## External links

- [Stereosanctity album review](http://stereosanctity.blogspot.co.uk/2015/09/the-ethical-debating-society-new-sense.html)

- [2015 interview](http://www.indietracks.co.uk/indietracks-interview-4-the-ethical-debating-society/) [Archived](https://web.archive.org/web/20150707165929/http://www.indietracks.co.uk/indietracks-interview-4-the-ethical-debating-society/) 7 July 2015 at the [Wayback Machine](/source/Wayback_Machine)

- [2015 interview](https://fortherabbits.wordpress.com/2015/07/20/the-ethical-debating-society-in-their-own-words/)

- [2015 album review](http://beautifulfreaks.nl/reviews/2015/07/the-ethical-debating-society-new-sense/)

- [2016 interview](http://www.gigslutz.co.uk/interview-ethical-debating-society/)

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